What does the Buddha think about what we call pleasure?

What pleasure and happiness does he suggest for a human being?

Drawing from two remarkable Suttas in the Pali Canon in which the Buddha is shockingly direct and graphic- making himself very unpopular.

Eventually Magandiya sees that the Buddha's hedonism is better than his own but the Buddha then wonders if it is wise to teach him.

Talk given during Padmaloka's Summer Retreat, July 2011.