Urgyen Sangharakshita, the teacher and founder of the Triratna Buddhist Order and movement holds a central position within it. In this conversation that took place during the ‘What is the Order?’ retreat, Maitreyabandhu, with great sensitivity and clarity, draws out Padmavajra who shares with complete honesty and openness his personal relationship with his teacher, the responsibility of being a public preceptor, perspectives on controversies within the movement, and Bhante’s position within the Order today. During this hour and a half, we have the great fortune to witness Padmavajra witnessing Bhante, and Sangharakshita in his turn witnessing Dhardo Rimpoche who witnesses the Buddha. The interview finishes with a period of questions and answers with the audience. This recording can be seen with video on the Padmaloka YouTube channel.